The Veil of Secrecy Over the White House
On Sunday, the New York Times ran this editorial, titled History Deleted at the White House. It discusses the vote we took in the House last week to pass legislation strengthening the record-keeping practices of Executive Branch agencies. The measure would help Congress exercise its oversight duties and preserve Administration records for future generations. The editorial also mentions the possible veto it will get from our "secrecy-obsessed" President.
The vote and the veto threat come right on the heels of a GAO study about the inconsistency of e-mail preservation by government officials since President Bush took office.








I am watching a hearing now
on CSPAN, the House Judiciary Subcmte. Hearing on Guantanamo Bay and Interrogation Rules
I like Congressman Issa's suggestion to Chairman Nadler that Speaker Pelosi testify before the Committee on Thursday about what she knew regarding torture and when she knew it. This could possibly help break the veil of secrecy and the circular attempt to pursue oversight regarding interrogation techniques (TORTURE) that Chairman Conyers mentioned. It might also help explain why Pelosi is so reluctant to begin impeachment hearings.
Also, since the House Judiciary website has gotten a facelift, the old link is broken.
Here is the new one.
Thanks for the link. FWIW: Insight into Congress’s Dilemma
Wallen posted this at the end of the previous thread, but I think it’s pertinent to you comment, re: Speaker Pelosi testifying “about what she knew regarding torture and when she knew it.”
Wallen’s comment near the end of the last thread quoted Scott Horton’s interview of journalist Jane Mayer, who wrote the book about the Bush Administration’s descent into the “Dark Side”. The book was also discussed in Frank Rich’s column. Mayer said:
Mayer adds this,
So, people, we can either accept this pragmatic, “business as usual” attitude by the Congress who abysmally failed in their oversight duty, to the point of complicity in allowing gutting of the Constitution for the purpose of torture. Or we can be unrelenting, outraged seekers of justice, demanding restoration of the Constitution and accountability for all those—Republican, and Democrat, who participated, actively or by passively allowing the authorization, and carrying out of torture by the highest levels of the US government. The way things are usually handled for the average citizen accused of a crime is that there is a trial, and during that trial, all circumstances of crime, including the circumstances that led the citizen to allegedly commit the crime are brought out. Then appropriate judgments of guilt or innocence are made. Then punishment of the guilty is determined.
There is no reason that “public servants” should be exempt from suffering the consequences of being held accountable for their actions, when the actions involved suspending, ignoring, or circumventing the Constitution—the Constitution they all swore to uphold.
There are reasons for the rule of law—one of the main reasons is to prevent “Vigilante Justice”—which history has proven far too often results in persecution of the innocent by the powerful. With no oversight—the “interrogation” process has deteriorated into the “interrogator” becoming a one man judge/jury/executioner. That goes counter to the very foundations of a nation that calls itself a “Democracy”, that claims it is bound by the rule of law. When the lawmakers become the law breakers—something has gone terribly wrong and the wrong will persist unless all offenders are held accountable.
What did you know, when did you know it, and....
...what, if anything, did you do to stop it?
Isn't that the crux of the matter?
Our forefathers knew that eventually, as is the case with anything humans touch, greed driven opportunists would attempt to wrest control of our government.
That is the reason why anyone who refuses to uphold their oath of office, should be treated like the criminals they truly are.
That includes Johnny-Boy and Old Nance too. If they knew anything, and did nothing, it's enough.
They're no better than the Bishops who transferred pedophile priest after pedophile priest, into unsuspecting isolated communities like mine all over America, knowing that more children would be raped.
Hell, he's probably waiting for the same punishment the Bishops received. Weren't they granted amnesty and rewarded with tax dollars to open charter schools all over America?
Then they wonder why Congress's approval rating has never been lower.
Ah, but Who Will Enforce the Legislation, Mr. Chairman?
Please pardon my curiosity, but based on the fact that the current Administration has ignored a multitude of laws, including the basis for those laws as outlined in the Constitution, and have not suffered any consequences for their ignoring of past legislation, why would Congress believe--or expect the citizens who have observed this lawbreaking go unpunished to believe--that the Administration will feel in any way bound by this latested piece of legislation?
IIRC, a certain Mr. Rove is still walking about freely, scoffing at the lawful subpoena to appear before Congress--and as things stand, he apparently will continue to do so without any repercussions.
What measures does Congress plan to implement to ensure that this Administration or any future Administration complies with this piece of legislation more than they have complied with any other piece of legislation they wish to ignore or circumvent? Unfortunately Congress is continuing to render itself impotent and irrelevant.
It is time
To take up Congressman Kucinich's effort to get the impeachment of the criminal branch of government under way. The Jud.Comm. has diddled long enough. Dragging Rove's butt before the Committee would be a good start, too. In case you have forgotten, you swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Isn't it time you started defending it against Rove, Addington, Mukasey, Cheney, and Bu$h? All of the above are enemies of Constitutional government, as testified by their own statements.
Good News: Pelosi'll allow impeachment hearings--Bad news:
Pelosi won't allow impeachment vote.
Well, what a hollow and shameful sham that will be. What's the point? Do she & the Democratic "leadership" think that this astoundingly cowardly and useless waste of time will somehow please everyone? Do they think that the people who are demanding accountability will be satisfied with all the "sound & fury signifying NOTHING"?
Do they expect that the forgone outcome of no accountability will satisfy the republican lawmakers who will understand that it's all just a show to entertain those darn pesky liburals that are demanding that the Democrats actually DO SOMETHING to defend the Constitution?
What a crock. Even knowing that the Democrats have become nothing more than a quivering mass of compromised, corrupted accessories before and after the fact to the bush administration's criminality--even knowing all that--this latest insult to the American People, to the US Constitution, and to the rule of law, is nothing short of the admission by the Democratic "leadership" that they aren't even a bit ashamed to be the worst Congress ever since the beginning of the nation, and that they really don't give a rip about the people they were elected to represent and they care even less about the Constitution they swore to defend.
Look out everyone, I sense a SWL or maybe even TWO SWL's in the making at this very moment. I'm sure bush/ cheney/ rove are afraid, so very afraid... That is they might be if they could stop snickering at the wimps in Congress long enough to read those SWL's...
The problem for the House Leadership
is the fear of exposed complicity.
Here's an interesting perspective on this by Dave Lindorff that I saw linked in the Docudharma essay Kucinich's fight to impeach Bush - Part I
"...It is clear, as was beautifully laid out in an article published by Glenn Greenwald in Salon magazine on July 15, that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and the rest of the Democratic Party leadership both in Congress and in the party organization, have been blocking any action on impeachment for fear of having their own complicity in Bush's and Cheney's crimes revealed. As Greenwald notes, the Washington Post has reported that Pelosi, along with Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) were briefed on the administration's use of torture and not only didn't object, but actively encouraged it. Rockefeller and Harman, who at the time were minority leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees at the time, were also briefed about Bush's order to the National Security Agency to conduct warrantless spying on Americans. They didn't object or publicly expose this blatant violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Fourth Amendment. And of course, many, if not most of the House and Senate Democratic leadership as well as many of the rank-and-file members of the party in both houses backed Bush's illegal war on Iraq, and his USA PATRIOT Act.
No wonder Pelosi, even before winning control of Congress and being elected Speaker, made it clear that under her "leadership" (if it can be called that), impeachment of either Bush or Cheney would be "off the table."
...Now I don't expect Rep. Kucinich to bite the hand that feeds him. He will not present the impeachment case in a way that criticizes those leaders. Indeed, he has publicly thanked both Pelosi and Conyers for allowing a hearing on impeachment. But it would be surprising if Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee didn't make those points. And that's good. Even if real impeachment hearings never actually come to pass, we will be treated, finally, to a public airing of not just the president's and vice president's crimes, but of the Democratic Party leadership's participation in them...."
One thing that I made note of during the House Judiciary Committee Hearing on Guantanamo Bay and Interrogation Rules was Phillipe Sands' statement that if Congress doesn't fully investigate this matter, the international community will. The truth will come out one way or the other, and it would be best if the House Judiciary Committee restored the rule of law in a thorough and non-partisan manner - the obstruction of justice committed by members of the administration AND members of Congress must be confronted NOW.
Here is the link to Glen Greenwald's article The motivation for blocking investigations into Bush lawbreaking
With a 9% rating,
what have you got to lose? By its refusal to do its plain duty, the so-called "Democratic" Congress has forfeited all Public respect, and IF the minor parties had some money, the next Congress would look like the French chambre des Deputes> Unfortunately, the "Democrats" are going to win in November, because corrupt and spineless as they are, they're a little better than the gaggle of crooks masquerading as Republicans. Actually, when Tom DeLay threw Abe Lincoln overboard, the Republicans' approval rating went to zero - so a number of them started pretending to be Democrats, hence the current mess. But - you could start the impeachment investigation anyway, and do it in public over C-Span so that we'll be reminded what a gang of crooks we have in office - oh, yes - while you're at it, you might start an investigation of McCain's connections to organized crime - he's apparently more connected than Nixon was.
Apparently, something is more important to members of Congress
than public opinion; more important than the U.S. Constitution, the treaties of the Geneva Conventions, and the Principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal; more important than truth, justice, accountability, restoration of the rule of law. It's something so terribly important that the opinions of the United Nations, the International Red Cross, retired generals, veterans and enlisted military personnel, the intelligence community, imbedded journalists, victims' families, judges, constitutional and international legal scholars, psychiatrists, etc. are basically obsolete. Something is more important than our civil liberties, real national security, a stable domestic infrastructure, and diplomatic foreign policy.
Providing immunity to violators of the law and perpetrators of obstruction is more important than any of our opinions.
Very well put feline
It is intriguing to consider what is more important to Congress.
If it is loyalty to party, then why continue to aid and abet the criminality by handing them everything they ask for: approving billions and billions more in appropriations for the occupation of Iraq when they promised they would end the war (It was priority #1) ; The military commissions act; the newest unconstitutional FISA bill; the approval of Mukaskey as Attorney General; etc?
When we elected a democratic majority house, I thought that at least we could stop losing ground. But that didn't occur. Instead we got we can't pass this and we can't pass that.....we don't have a veto proof majority. When they got a majority of both houses of Congress, the whining we hear about the inability to pass good legislation made no sense. However, the plan does make sense only if you have a majority in the House and not the Senate.
So again I ask, "If you have a majority in both houses why do you still pass bad legislation rather than no legislation?" They want a share of the power and assume that by allowing the Republicans to implode, they will win by default. But because they stuck with the same plan anyway, they are stupid. And they think we are stupider.
Well let me tell you, the neocons and the media are going to treat this Democratic President like they did Jimmy Carter. They are going to crucify him every chance they get. If you look at recent history and the lessons learned from Nixon, after Carter we got 12 years of Republican Presidents. That is what they want. They want total control from 2013 to 2025 and beyond. They will control the use and distribution of energy to set themselves up as kings.
The Olduvai Theory
The rules are changing.....back. Did you know there is a worldwide hunger crisis going on right now. How can that be when 2007 was the year humans produced the most food ever? Maybe there is something more fundamental going on.
A population crash is coming and chaos will ensue. Rather then find solutions to the predicted coming chaos, they selfishly welcome it.
Only there is a big hole in your plans. When the oil runs out for us, it will run out for your Army and
Air ForceBureau of Weather Control. Also in other countries, Wind and solar power are delivering higher then expected returns. Some are already over 15% of their total national consumption from these sources alone. Looks like they might have a chance to survive.Hi Koryannder.
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Thanks, feline for "The Rest of the Story"...
I second your statement:
Indeed, it would be best: Best for the People of the United States, and for the Constitution. But, for the Congress people who value their own power and position more than they value the People they "serve" or the Constitution they swore to uphold and defend, it might not be the best thing--since they seem to have been soiled and corrupted by too many years of swimming in the the cesspool of corruption that is DC politics, alongside lobbyists, ethics-challenged colleagues, and situational ethics where one's political interests routinely outweigh the best interests of The People or the Country.
There comes a time in our lives where we must assess when it is time to quit striving for power and position and just do the right thing, regardless of the personal cost--especially when the personal cost might (might--by no means a certain result of doing the right thing ) include stepping down from one's position--a position which has proven to be relatively powerless anyway. Considering that the consequence for doing the right thing would be relatively minor: A Congress person who has already served 20-30 years can retire with a sizable pension and benefits, and live in relative comfort, unlike many of the people they "serve".
So, why would a Congressman who claims to value the Constitution to the point of writing a book outlining the Bush Administration's multiple violations of that foundational legal document--why would he refuse to take a small risk to hold accountable Everyone--Republican or Democrat who knowingly assisted in gutting the Constitution?
How can any Congress member who allows far more courageous 18 year old Americans' lives to be sacrificed in an illegal war be so craven as to themselves avoid taking such a small personal risk to do their sworn Constitutional duty? So they might lose a few friends & have to move away from the corruption that pervades the nation's Capitol. So what?
"All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
Good men and women in Congress have remained silent and passive for too long. It is time for them to stand up and tell the truth. The truth will set them (and us) free. It is time for good men and women to quit aiding and abetting those who use their positions and their powers to bastardize and corrupt the Constitution, regardless of their motives. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If Democratic Congress members knowingly allowed illegal actions by the Administration to proceed unimpeded, then they are guilty of lawbreaking. Their "good intentions" may mitigate their punishment for the illegalities, but it does not mitigate their guilt.
I'm wondering if members of Congress
have really thought this whole thing through - by not doing everything in their power to stop the violations of the laws, and by directly or indirectly participating in obstruction, they may be setting themselves up to also be prosecuted in the future. If covering their own butts is their priority right now, they're really not doing a very convincing job of it. The public and international legal community knows enough to understand that certain individuals - not only members of the administration, but also members of Congress in key positions - are in gross violation of the law and their duty to uphold the law.
Choosing not to use the impeachment process and waiting instead for internationally executed criminal prosecutions may result in some members of Congress becoming the subjects of those potential prosecutions.
Thanks to you, Unspun, for your excellent insights and comments.
Is George W. Bush Guilty of Murder? Vincent Bugliosi Thinks So.
by Ilene Proctor
Q: How Can A Man Become a National Best Selling Author Without Ever Being Reviewed By The Mainstream Media?
A: The Internet and Progressive Radio Caused This Media Sensation
WATCH OUT WASHINGTON! HERE COMES Vincent Bugliosi’s The Prosecution of George Bush for Murder.
Make no mistake, things have been done to America in these recent years that are unwise, unjust, unconscionable, unacceptable and un-American by President George Bush who pursues his partisanship, his profiteering, his perjury, his pardons and his power that are frankly, according to best-selling author Vincent Bugliosi, unpardonable.
In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses-a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world.
A BuzzFlash Review
Make no mistake, the hourglass is running out of sand for the darker impulses of this decider of our national politics and his destructive policies.
In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder (Vanguard Press, 2008), Bugliosi, the man who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for murder, argues convincingly that President George W. Bush's conduct in taking the US military to war against Iraq under false pretenses in March of 2003 qualifies him to be prosecuted for murder in any state in the nation. Written in an in-your-face gutsy style, Bugliosi manifestly maps out Bush's destiny.
Despite a virtual press blackout, Vincent Bugliosi's book has became a national best seller and is fast becoming a cult fave amongst outraged Constitution loving, Bill-of-Rights adherents, Declaration of Independence followers, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens and Independent Americans alike.
One of the first references to Iraq made by the Bush administration after 9/11 was made on October 15, 2001, by then Secretary of State Colin Powell when he told the press: "Iraq is Iraq, a wasted society for 10 years. They're sad. They're contained ..." If that were the case, how were they supposed to be a threat to the world's strongest military power?
Bugliosi calls our attention to the fact that after Bush had started talking about the possibility of war with Iraq, he said that his decision will be based on the "latest intelligence." What he never said, of course, is that on October 1, 2002, the classified 2002 National Intelligence Estimate issued by the CIA and other US intelligence agencies said that Saddam was NOT an imminent threat to the US.
Not long after that, on the afternoon of October 7, 2002, then CIA director George Tenet delivered a letter to Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, saying "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW (chemical or biological weapons) against the United States." That evening Bush delivers a speech to the nation at the Museum Center in Cincinnati, Ohio in which he called Saddam Hussein a "great danger to our nation."
Then there is the infamous reference to Saddam's supposed quest for uranium in Africa in the President's 2003 State of the Union speech, which was based on documents which beltway insiders believed to be forgeries. In October of 2002 George Tenet told Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley that the president "should not be a fact witness on this issue," and the reporting on it was "weak."
However, for many, the conclusive evidence that Bush knew Saddam was no threat to this country, and therefore an attack on Iraq was unjustified, was the following. Back in March 2003, Bush said that if Saddam Hussein did not give up his weapons of mass destruction, Iraq would face war. But earlier, in a January 31 closed-door meeting, Bush told his British buddy Tony Blair that the attack would take place even if no WMDs were found. Indeed, George and Tony candidly conceded that the discovery of such weapons was unlikely.
This deliberate deception is revealed in a confidential five-page memo written by David Manning, Blair's top foreign-policy advisor, who was at the meeting.
Manning records that both Bush and Blair were uptight that the WMDs were not going to be found, so George W. offered another fabrication to give them an excuse to attack. He suggested that the U.S. would paint one of our own surveillance planes in the colors of the United Nations and fly it over Iraq, hoping that Saddam would be provoked into shooting it down. Then the U.S. and Brits could invade, claiming that they were retaliating for Saddam's attack on the UN.
Ultimately, Bush and Blair stuck with the WMD lie, apparently assuming that the war would be quick, a new Iraqi democracy would spring up, and no one would remember all that WMD stuff.
Meanwhile, more than 4,000 Americans have died, Iraq is a bloody mess, and George W. says his war of lies will continue indefinitely.
In addition to providing us with the legal rationale and possible jurisdiction for such a prosecution of the President, Bugliosi also provides examples of how monstrously callous Bush has been since the war began in March of 2003. He provides several pages of photographs of scenes of carnage from Iraq juxtaposed with pictures of a grinning, clowning President Bush, having the time of his life. He also provides several quotes from President Bush made during a variety of stages in the war showing that the President was more concerned about running, fishing or going to a ball game than about the thousands killed in the war that he started. As Bush said in a press conference on December 4, 2007, he's been feeling "pretty good about life."
In the Acknowledgments section of the book, Bugliosi provides a valuable insight into the world of book publishing when he claims that many people at the largest publishing houses in the country told him that although they agreed with the conclusions in the book, and thought that the book would make money, they wanted to have nothing to do with it out of fear. It was, they said, "too hot to handle." In fact two liberal law professors of his acquaintance were scared to even look at the book! Bugliosi claims that this is all due to the climate of fear created by the current right wing in America, which brands anyone who believes George Bush's actions to be criminal as a "pro-terrorist," "anti-American" sufferer of "Bush Derangement Syndrome." One is hard-pressed to disagree with him.
In a political environment where impeachment of President Bush is "off the table," those who wish to bring the man to justice may have to look to the courts, but the question is, of course, who would step up and prosecute him? There are not too many prosecutors today who posses Bugliosi's passion for justice. Even if no charges are ever actually filed against Bush, at least The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder stands as an historical record of one more American President's mendacity on the issues of war and peace.
Bush's ascent to power has meant tragedy, failure and death. His arrogance and his administration's imperial grandeur have alienated what Jefferson called the decent opinion of mankind. His tactics have been pursued with contempt for alternate views, corruption of our democratic system, and condescension toward those who know far more about military affairs than he does.
While deliberately deceiving his nation into war, Bush championed the politics of fear, desperately seeking to frighten the people to justify his attacks on freedoms guaranteed by statute and constitution.
Like no administration before it, team Bush has mastered the media with its use of psychological research, coupled with the modern means of communication, to muster mass support for his elite agenda. With Bush as the prime player, his administration staged photo ops whose choreographed drama and camera-ready visuals ("Mission Accomplished"!) were intended to play to the emotions and overrule objections; reducing complicated geopolitical issues to black-or-white dualisms: Good Team America vs. the Axis of Evil.
The Bush administration represents the apotheosis of government by spin control. The philosophical takeaway here is the historical shift from the Enlightenment, whose commitment to reasoned debate and empirical truth used to be the cornerstone of our little experiment in democracy, to the faith-based worldview of fundamentalism -- not just the Christian fundamentalism of the religious right, but fundamentalisms of every sort.
The Iraq War came about, in large part, because of a harmonic convergence of personal passions, political agendas and ideological crusades, all faith-based rather than fact-driven. Bush, Bugliosi reminds us, is a man who "convinces himself to believe what suits his needs at the moment" and who "to this day ... seems unbothered by the disconnect between his chief rationale for war and the driving motivation behind it. Empowered by God to democratize the Middle East and police the globe as part of the constabulary duties of the Last Action Superpower, Bush has clearly delighted in establishing a star-spangled imperium. America's an empire now, and when we act, we reinforce Bush's own reality.
Today, Bush is busy covering up his dirty laundry, all the while planning for the next war. But Bugliosi is hot on his case, and the clock is ticking, the day is coming, when a grateful nation will soon celebrate Bush's complete and total removal from the high councils of government, once and for all, and hopefully, one day, be called to judgment by an awakened America for the great tragedy he has wrought.
The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
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You can lead a republican to the truth, but you can't make him think it...
4,000+ American lives, 30,000 seriously wounded; 10,000's to...
100,000's of Iraqis--including CHILDREN. And still Congress is squeamish about demanding and obtaining accountabilty?
Note to Congress: "Accountability" is not merely about "punishment"--even more importantly, it is a warning for those in power to proceed with far more caution, research and wisdom in the future if they are considering similar actions.
Conversely, Congress's failure to demand accountability is tantamount to criminal negligence, making them willingly complicit in all the deaths from the time they were in a position to hold the criminals accountable.
Since the Comments apparently are Deactivated in the Next thread
...I'll make my comment here re: "Not getting the Healthcare we pay for"
We don't get the healthcare we pay for. Nor do we get the Congress we voted for. It seems that We the People are getting the short end of the stick all the way around.
Corporate interests get the Congress
they paid for. Since the neo-conservative lexicon adopted by some Democrats has made "regulation", "taxes", and "social programs" dirty words; we are stuck with several systems - including healthcare - based on bribery, monopolies, and sanctioned corruption.
We're not getting the accountability we paid for, but private interests are getting the immunity they paid for.
Well, at least some of the people are happy--
the Corporations and the rich who benefit from them.
Apparently we're not being "thankful" enough by daring to rant against the republicans who put us in this position and the Democrats who now are working with them in a bipartisan fashion to maintain the status quo. Maybe if we show more gratitude for the largely symbolic attempts--by a party that has worked feverishly to render itself powerless--to fulfil at least one campaign promise (for better healthcare), we may once again be allowed to make comments.
We Don't Get What We Pay For
Accountability? There is none in the Bush administration and there's a far cry less coming from a Congress that continues to give a "get out of jail free" pass to an Administration that refuses to follow laws that are already in place to guarantee that ALL records generated by a Presidential Administration are archived?
So where does Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Conyers stand? Somewhere off to the side of the table that they took impeachment from...the voters may hold them accountable when their term for renewal comes up.
Dear John,
A snake oil salesman is called a CON man precisely because he says one thing, promising miracles, all the while he knows that what he is delivering is not what he's selling or promising.
GOT IMPEACHMENT?
GOT ACCOUNTABILITY?
GOT TROOPS HOME?
GOT RULE OF LAW?
GOT OPEN GOVERNMENT?
GOT ROVE?
Honestly John, why should anyone believe you? You've demonstrated clear mental reservation about upholding your Oath of Office. You've excused you're responsibility to exact the heavy hand of Justice by wholly exorcising a strict evasion to act accountable both to your constituency and the Republic. If you aren't cowered by higher influences, I'd say you're in collusion WITH these forces. What else would be a logical explanation?
Rove told you to go fuck off, and so you did. Is that how a man of great stature handles things... meekly? His five days are up.... HAVE BEEN UP! Yet you continue to live up to your moniker of... "NO ACTION!" Has anyone ever informed you that you CAN exorcise the Rule of Law? What does it mean when you cower from the Rule of Law? Which are you... a fine standing citizen elevated to a High Office sworn to defend the Republic's Rights, Freedoms and Liberties... or a coward?
CONgressional approval ratings are "in the tank"... 9%
How are you bolstering these damning figures with NO ACTION?
THE WORST CONGRESS... EVER! ON YOUR WATCH!
At which point should Americans demand YOUR impeachment? After all, you've aided and abetted an obstruction of Justice as underscored by your lack of courage to pursue said Justice. When international forces come for the criminals of these deeds; TORTURE, WARS of AGGRESSION, ILLEGAL JUSTICE, MURDER... Where shall we tell them where the person who decided to take NO ACTION shall be found?
CONgressman,
I heard an interesting tale today. I heard that CONgress meet secretively in full last March of 2008 to discuss a National Security issue, the impending demise and collapse of the US economy and how CONgress can best protect themselves(as if it never is about them) from the marauding Republic coming for members of CONgress who lead us into this state. Is this true? When was the last secret full session held where the general public was NOT informed about the outcome?
Thanks to Tom Delay, I can assert what I have to say:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, unless John Conyers proves otherwise, he is in collusion WITH these war criminals. Why else would you, John NO ACTION CONyers, provide tacit cover for what is already being described as WAR CRIMES? Your book is all you need as your proof gathered for the basis crimes stemming from THE SUPREME CRIME.
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I M P E A C H
or R E S I G N!!!
The book
certainly can be used at the Hague to show mens rhea on the Congressman's part.
Dog or Pony...?
Which are you CONgressman, the dog or the pony of this three ring circus?
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I M P E A C H
or R E S I G N!!!
This Video is a year old...
A Recollection
Flashback to 1974:
II. The Historical Origins of Impeachment
B. The Intentions of the Framers
The following is from a report written and released by the Judiciary Committee in 1974 in the aftermath of the Watergate crisis.
I like the last part because it refers to historical context...
(emphasis mine)
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Halcyon & Hallucinogen Days
Hi John.
In the thread "We Don't Get What We Pay For"
you wrote:
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Submitted by JC on July 17, 2008 - 7:22am.
There is an article in this morning's New York Times about a study being released today on the state of health care in America. In a nutshell, the Commonwealth Fund study shows that despite the fact that we pay more for care in this country than in most other industrialized nations, the quality of care does not measure up.
While this simple statement would be readily apparent to the millions of people struggling to pay for basic medical care or to senior citizens choosing between paying for their prescription drugs and their groceries, it is also important to quantify the disparity. It is yet another sign pointing to how badly we need to universal health care coverage.
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My question, if I had one, would be "If we don't get what we pay for, do we at least get what we vote for?"
I am of course speaking to the issue of impeachment of the very administration that you appear to be squeeking about in this thread.
What the Dems need is something like Viagra for the mind, the memory, even ethics, don't you agree John? But how could you make such a product look sexy enough to sell?
In 1995, during the Attack Of The Giant Salamander (Jim Wright's main persecutor) I watched some of the dems win the debate and then vote against the position they just advocated.
What's up with that?
And guess what? Now that they have no excuse, I still see them doing the same things. For example, who'd -a guessed Obama would have voted FOR the retroactive (read "ex post facto") legalization of illegal wire taps?
Where the hell are we John?
Or who the hell are these people?
Let me offer this as a bit of attempted advice: I hear you complaining but your complaints are evidently once again a million miles off the mark.
May I explain?
Tangentially these issues are fine, but correcting them would not produce what is needed in the post-Civil War era.
Post Civil War. I'm talking about, where's the steadfastness Lincoln sought in his Gettysburg address? We honor him but it's all in vain, if we do not understand what he meant, do we not?
If you are not familiar with what he said, how about "Florida 2000". Got anything on that? Or "Ohio 2004"? ES&S, Diebold, etc? Anything there jog a memory cell? Maybe the words "Constitution In Crisis". Ring any bells yet?
I'm talking about the infiltration of mammon or whatever you want to call it that Eisenhower warned us about.
Mammon. How ironic that these pretenders end their oaths of office with "so help me God".
And young Dubya even managed to stack his hypocrisy three Bibles deep. Matt 5:34 et seq puts this kind of activity into clear focus in terms of honest to goodness Christianity, as defined in any one of those Bibles. If you are unhappy with political capitalism as per our decider-in-chief, do look up that Bible reference. You'll be glad you did.
I'm talking about the danger which was not thwarted, but rather became the norm a few years later as demonstrated by way of several high level political assassinations inside the US.
Were those legitimate targets of black ops? I'm talking to you, John. I'm asking you, if domestic hits are valid political processes anywhere, much less in the world's standard for democracy.
Eisenhower used the words "disastrous". He spoke of "influence". And he said "whether sought or unsought" that this issue would be a big one.
Was it all just theatrics? For effect? What would Eisenhower gain from such a display?
Well then tell me why didn't those words have any effect? Do crooks just get tired of being dishonest and straighten up spontaneously?
We haven't even removed the payoffs, John. The incentives are now utterly reversed, aren't they.
So, dear Congressman, you are again hacking at leaves and leaving the root untouched.
But what can I do or say that would make any difference to you or any other alleged champion of the people.
Let's try another approach then.
"Smoking Gun". Do those words mean anything to you?
Is that an EKG or their EEG? -- envelope please.
Furthermore, if you, as Chairman of the House Judiciary are as clueless as your peers, or so inane that you too would agree render the 'truth' effectively OFF TOPIC (duh), how in the world is anyone else in Congress going to have a clue as to what is expected of them?
Knock knock!
Hey! Anybody home? Help us out here, would yuh?
Housespeaker Pelosi: Presidential Enabler
There is a psychological term used for people who aid and abet an alcoholic. They're called "enablers".
Housespeaker Pelosi and Congressman Conyers are starting to stand out as two huge enablers of Bush's "power bender" as both of them continue to give Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the rest of the dilettantes and synchophants of this Administration a "do not have to show up when subpoenaed, get out of jail free" pass.
In this game of chicken, it's the Dems who are coming off as the ones who've been emasculated by a lame duck President.
Rove Abscond Day count: 9
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...psssst... John, DO SOMETHING!
Hack The Vote!
Diebold tampered with 2002 election...and 2000 and 2004 and 2006 and soon, 2008...
GOP cyber-security expert suggests Diebold tampered with 2002 election
Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane
Published: Friday July 18, 2008
A leading cyber-security expert and former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) says he has fresh evidence regarding election fraud on Diebold electronic voting machines during the 2002 Georgia gubernatorial and senatorial elections.
Stephen Spoonamore is the founder and until recently the CEO of Cybrinth LLC, an information technology policy and security firm that serves Fortune 100 companies. At a little noticed press conference in Columbus, Ohio Thursday, he discussed his investigation of a computer patch that was applied to Diebold Election Systems voting machines in Georgia right before that state's November 2002 election.
Spoonamore is one of the most prominent cyber-security experts in the country. He has appeared on CNN's Lou Dobbs and ABC's World News Tonight, and has security clearances from his work with the intelligence community and other government agencies, as well as the Department of Defense, and is one of the world’s leading authorities on hacking and cyber-espionage.
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You can lead a republican to the truth, but you can't make him think it...
Rove Won’t Testify ‘To Keep Himself From Being Indicted’...
No kidding...
Iglesias: Rove Won’t Testify ‘To Keep Himself From Being Indicted’»
Last week, Karl Rove ignored a subpoena and refused to testify before Congress, choosing instead to take a trip abroad. This morning, David Iglesias, one of the U.S. Attorneys politically purged under Alberto Gonzales, told MSNBC’s Mike Barnicle he believed Rove “had information that…would show illegal activity” and thus will refuse to testify “to keep himself from being indicted”:
IGLESIAS: Which I believe is the reason why he is refusing to testify in front of the Congress. He has information that I believe would show illegal activity, interfering with ongoing federal criminal investigations. So Rove is not testifying I think basically to keep himself from being indicted.
Barnicle also asked Iglesias whether Rove played a role in his firing, to which Iglesias replied, “Absolutely”:
BARNICLE: Do you think he has anything to do with your being dismissed?
IGLESIAS: Absolutely. The evidence is clear that he relayed, he took a call from Pete Domenici about me that he talk to the state party chairman here. He was very involved in something he had no business being involved in which is, you know, the oversight of a federal investigation and a federal prosecutor.
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You can lead a republican to the truth, but you can't make him think it...
How nice that Rove has the option to "refuse to testify"...
because he wants to "keep himself from being indicted". (Duh!) Fortunately for him, he's not one of the "little people" that our Congress allegedly represents. He's a former government employee whose salary was paid by those "little people"--the people who have to live by a different set of laws, because they aren't "important" enough to be able to continually break the law and get away with it.
who do you think you're fooling?
I don't think Hollywood scriptwriters could write a more exciting "time fuse", as they are called. Right down to the wire and the race is on -- the good guys and the bad guys... a photo finish.
Gimme a break, Honorable Congressman.
Smoking Gun, remember?
What do you think of your constituents if you can believe that this new and improved BS act of yours will pass muster?
John, you were in the right place doing the right thing during the Nixon impeachment. You were on the right side in your attempts to reign in the Alzheimers Republicans (creative traditionalists).
But you have thoroughly squandered your credibility when you shafted VIPS and the rest of us with your hairpin turn in 2006 to get behind Nancy (what did she know and when did she know it) Pelosi, and Steny (repeal Presidential term limits) Hoyer.
Hoyer. God golly Mr. Molly, don't you have anything on "Imperial Presidencies" laying around here somewhere?
Take an IQ test. There's a chance you're demised and just don't know it yet.
It can happen, I'm told. In fact I once had a preying mantis that got its head bit off by our cat. He seemed to at least sense that something was amiss though, unlike you guys.
So there apparently is some cause for concern.
An Imperial Presidency for...
An American Empire.
by Howard Zinn
Sad, but true...
America has become what it loathed enough to break away from, some 235 years ago.
What will it take to break these latest chains that bind...?
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The viel of secrecy over Frosted Flakes' house
Take your choice of Screen Gem. The Beach. the Tree. The Creek. Or the Drive.
Each is around 1.3MegaByte.
Re: Next page :
The Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance Health System does a great service to the People of the Several Countries the overview covers. In pointing out where we are and are not leaders clarified is from whom to take and to whom to offer which lessons. Advantage of this, is, I hope, taken.
Re: This Page : Revision of history :
It seems a time to recall from the files. 'Scuse me a minute.
§ 2441. War crimes
(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b),
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.
(b) Circumstances.— The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).
(c) Definition.— As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—
(1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;
(2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;
(3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict; or
(4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996 (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.
This is the law specifying the jurisdiction of our Courts in cases of war crime. You will note that it is slightly differant from what is described in the storybooks. You will note that it subjects foreign nationals to our Courts jurisdiction. And that it applies to soldiers just the same as anyone else. It's right there in the bond.
Damn fair too, I have to admire. Same standard whether our guy is the victim or the perp. Often overlooked is the possibility both the victim and the perp could be friends of ours, and that the Law, as written, could be appealed to for protection by foreign civilians subject to abuse by our military. All of this, in the Bond.
A thing to fear? Possibly, if you should. And these know who they are. And hope we never find out. So shut their mouths, the smaller, the tighter. Vice-presidents, for example, merely scowl when caught, ask what yer gonna do 'bout it. Foot soldiers on the other hand, get roasted alive, by Vice-Presidents, if their names should ever come up.
So what to do?
Well. If you offer immunity to anyone who will stand up and say he is guilty and will tell all from the witness stand...some little guy is likely to. This tends to make the Emperors Clothes vanish. Along with scowls from the Vice-president. And should stiffen any bone softened by the thought of exposure of past ill judgments (caused by bent Intel). Lots of folks spilling much bigger pots of beans.
Whether this is a good or bad idea may turn on whether it is more important to you the guilty be punished, all of them, to the full extent of the law, even if the very insistence on the point be what prevents the solution of the conundrum, or whether your real concern is whether or not America be a free Country.
Frosted Flake
http://judiciary.house.gov/index.html
I Like the new look, but... even I have a bigger monitor than that. You can go a little wider than that. This too.
http://judiciary.house.gov/news/071708.html
I am looking forward to this hearing. I hope some will ask then and there why Rove yet roves.
Nine Reasons to Investigate War Crimes Now
By Jeremy Brecher & Brendan Smith
July 18, 2008
"There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."
Should those who ordered war crimes be held to account? With the conclusion of the Bush regime approaching, many people are dubious, even those horrified by Administration actions. They fear a long, divisive ordeal that could tear the country apart. They note that such division could make it far harder for the country to address the many other crises it is facing. They see the upcoming elections as a better way to set the country on a new path.
Many Democrats in particular are proposing to let bygones be bygones and move on to confront the problems of the future, rather than dwelling on the past. The Democratic leadership sees rising gas prices, foreclosures, and health care costs, as well as widespread dissatisfaction with the direction of the country, as playing in their favor. Why risk it all by playing the war crimes blame game? Perhaps some Democratic leaders are also concerned that their own role in enabling or even encouraging war crimes might be exposed. ..
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Hmmmmmm...
Clearly. That is not the right way to hang a picture.
Sorry about that.
FF
Hi, FF! Beautiful photos! Thank you.
Yes, July 25th is something to look forward to when a hearing on Kucinich's resolution will be had. Interesting to note that the hearing is scheduled for only two hours (10:00 a.m. to noon) wherein a number of speakers will be allocated a pathetic 5 minutes to speak. As I recollect, the hearing on the Clemmen's steroid case went on ALL DAY. Priorities, you know! Only two hours for a hearing having to do with the most criminal administration in the history of our country.
Maybe, this is just a form of appeasement to Americans, who have been screaming for Impeachment for so long. Close to election time, you know. Ms. Pelosi and all the rest are not looking too good, you know. And, she has mentioned, as well as others, that this is a hearing, not necessarily connected to Impeachment, or some such.
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Rove's "no show" in Congress due to his scheduled paid speech
Rove, one of those few 'elite' Bushies that are allowed to exclude themselves from any of the lawful rules that govern the actions of mere mortal Americans, skipped out on Congress: an empty seat and an exotic getaway:
See, all Congress has to do to get Rove to appear befor the Judiciary Committee is to offer him over $400,000 to appear. Either that, or throw his arrogant, criminal, contemptuous behind in jail, pronto. Personally, I'd go with the latter, but we've seen how impaired Congress's Judgment has been & they do seem to be consistent at least as far a poor judgment is concerned.
Rep. Linda T. Sanchez has this to say about Rove:
Karl Rove ignored a Congressional subpoena last week, leaving the country rather than testify under oath. Enough is enough.
July 17, 2008
I couldn't agree with her more. Now, then, will anything happen? Or is it just more talk?
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
And, just found this lovely article -- very, very scary, and not
beyond the realm of a possibility:
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
TPMtv at Netroots Nation: Don Siegelman
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